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    Actually Birdman, I think the opposite is current.
    The old farts want the manuals! The younger generation don't know how to drive a manual. Vast Majority Never Learned!
    Add to that, like the new BMWs,Porsches,Ferraris, the new DCT/Automatics are faster cars!
    Your point regarding the future manual C7 value is valid. 20% of 360s had manual, 10% of 430s were ordered manual. Both command a 20%+ premium over the F1 gearbox that was a +$10k option when new.

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    I'm with frenchman on this - millennials barely DRIVE... let alone drive a stick! All of my daughters friends are incapable of driving a stick... including my daughter!! She had no interest in learning... Car manufacturers seem to be phasing out manuals... it's an added cost to manufacturing with little demographic data to support it anymore...
    History always repeats itself,... that's one of the things that's wrong with history.

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    Frenchman, in the Corvette world, you are wrong.

    The demographic for Corvettes is dudes over 60 and in general they don't want a manual. Go out and do a search...like 75% of the Corvettes are automatics. I'm not talking paddle shifted sequential manuals that can run in auto mode like a Ferrari....I'm talking slush box old school automatics. Yes, in the FERRARI world, old guys like you and me want a manual. Hence the extreme premium for a 360 or a 430 with a 6 speed. But that is simply not the case in the Corvette world.

    The whole reason Chevy is going mid-engine is to make the car more exotic, faster, to compete with Ferrari. That means losing the old fart boulevard cruiser image. The way to be fast is the paddle-shifted sequential gearbox, and that happens to have an auto mode, which will appeal to the old fart crowd.

    Case in point. My dad. He is 75. Loves Corvettes. He has owned three. All three were autos. I asked him if he were to buy a new Z06, what would it be? He said automatic. "Because it can shift faster than I can anyway." And he is 75 and doesn't want to futz with a clutch.

    I totally agree with Caveman that 98% of young people can't drive a stick. Zach, my editor who is 23 and just graduated from college last year is an exception. He's a total gear head, drives a Civic Si, (which by the way is a pretty sweet ride and not as ridiculous looking as the "Type R" but still fast) and drives a stick. But he is definitely the exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    I totally agree with Caveman that 98% of young people can't drive a stick.
    All three of the kids on our hill, two of which will be driving in about a year, and my boy in about three years, want me to teach them to drive stick. Happy to do it, but what the hell do I teach them with? I learned on a beater old Ford Escort wagon nobody cared about. I was browsing Craigslist, and there are a bunch of old 5 speed civics, camrys, etc in the $2K range. I'm thinking it might be worth picking one up just to teach these kids but then what do I do with it? I guess put it back up on Craigslist!
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    Use it as a prize for whoever masters the skill first. Just give them the car since that will probably be 20% of the kids their age who will know how to drive it.

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    If I gave my neighbor's kid a car and not one to my boy, he would never forgive me!!
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    Then make sure he "wins"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badman View Post
    but then what do I do with it? I guess put it back up on Craigslist!
    Let me teach my kids!!!

    Actually Elise asked me to teach her to drive a stick too. (I think children of gearheads are likely to at least appreciate the fun in driving a stick, even if they don't become actual gearheads themselves.) I asked her why, she said it just looks cool when I drive a stick and you aren't a "real" driver if you can't drive a stick. Now, that's my girl. I told her I would be happy to teach her to drive a stick once she was comfortable driving an auto. First learn to handle a car on a public street, then we will learn advanced! But I agree...what the hell do you teach them on? I learned to use a clutch on a dirt bike when I was 12. Never drove a manual in a car until college (roommate's car) because nobody in my household had a stick anymore by the time I was driving age. (My dad's Austin Healey was being "restored" by then. By restored I mean disassembled in the barn. Forever.)
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    Speaking of teaching kids. Autocross. That would be the best driver ed I could imagine to teach kids car control. I'm sure there is some reason why the insurance company wouldn't allow it, but when my kids are old enough to drive I would really like them to do autocross. Talk about learning to control a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    Speaking of teaching kids. Autocross. That would be the best driver ed I could imagine to teach kids car control. I'm sure there is some reason why the insurance company wouldn't allow it, but when my kids are old enough to drive I would really like them to do autocross. Talk about learning to control a car.
    Yup. just need the bodies to do it.
    Why yes! That was me passing you on the outside of 6.

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